Troubleshooting Guide For Boom Or Stick Drop, Implement Drift, Or A Powered Movement Of Any Implement On Certan Excavators Caterpillar


Troubleshooting Guide For Boom Or Stick Drop, Implement Drift, Or A Powered Movement Of Any Implement On Certan Excavators

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Troubleshooting Guide For Boom Or Stick Drop, Implement Drift, Or A Powered Movement Of Any Implement On Certan Excavators

CONFIDENTIAL TIBU3880-01

TECHNICAL INFORMATION BULLETIN

APRIL 14, 2004

EXCAVATORS

THIS TIB REPLACES THE AUGUST 27, 2003 EXCAVATORS TIB (TIBU3880-00), COMPONENT CODE 5050, TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDE FOR BOOM OR STICK DROP, IMPLEMENT DRIFT, OR A POWERED MOVEMENT OF ANY IMPLEMENT. DESTROY THE AUGUST 27, 2003 TIB.


320B L(6CR), 320C (BCN),
320C L (ANB, PAB, BDE),
320C S (BBL), 320C LN (BEA),
322 L (9RL), 322B L (1YS),
322C L (BKJ, HEK, BGR),
322C LN (BFK), 325 (8YK),
325 L (8NK), 325B L (2JR),
325C L (BFE, CRB), 325C LN (CSJ), 330 (9WJ), 330 L (8FK), 330B L (3YR, 6DR), 330C L (CAP, DKY), 330C LN (CGZ), 345B L (4SS, 9GS, BFG), 345B II (DCW), 345B II LC (AGS, ALB, CCC, CDJ), EXCAVATORS

 

Component Code(s) 5050, 5456, 5458, 5117

SUBJECT: TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDE FOR BOOM OR STICK DROP, IMPLEMENT
DRIFT, OR A POWERED MOVEMENT OF ANY IMPLEMENT ON CERTAIN
EXCAVATORS

PROBLEM:

Reports from the field have identified that certain Excavators may experience boom or stick drop, implement drift, or a powered movement of any implement. Analysis for corrective measures requires the collection of specific data and detailed information.

SOLUTION:

The basic assumptions about the condition of the machine are:

  • The hydraulic lifting capacity of the machine has not been exceeded by the combination of the attachment weight and the lifting position.
  • All main and line relief valves are set within specifications.
  • The machine has not experienced a catastrophic component failure. If a component failure has occurred, refer to the information in this document about component repair and flushing the hydraulic system.
  • All hydraulic cylinders in the linkage affected by the reported movement have been checked for drift leakage and/or related problems.

All of the movements described can be influenced by contamination of the hydraulic system. Make sure the Schedule Oil Sampling (SOS) reports do not indicate an unacceptable level of contamination. Drop and powered movements can be influenced by improper vehicle warm up during cold weather applications or after extended periods of idling without boom and stick linkage movements. Make sure that the proper warm up procedures are performed.

Due to the nature of these movements, the definitions on the following pages are important. The definitions allow all technical personnel to collect and analyze data using the same wording and troubleshooting processes.

The following information should be collected on every report of an Excavator that experiences boom or stick drop, implement drift, or a powered movement of any implement:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Data Collection Sheet

Data

Comment

Model

Serial Number

 

Service Hours

 

Dial Speed

 

Power Mode At Engine Dial Speed 10

ON or OFF

Work Mode1

ON or OFF

Ambient Temperature

 

What Type Of Movement

 

How Movement Occurred

 

When Movement Occurred2

 

SOS From Affected Hydraulic Circuit

 

Type Of Linkage

 

Thumb Attachment

YES or NO

Quick Coupler

YES or NO

Custom Attachment

YES or NO

Type Of Bucket

 

Type Of Bucket GET

 

SOS From All Reports

 

Dealer And Customer Service Reports

 

Range Of Guages

 

Guages Calibration Date

 

Main Control Valve Serial Number

 

Main Relief Pressure Setting

 

Line Relief Pressure Setting

 

Power Shift Pressure At Line Relief

 

Pilot Pressure At Main Relief Setting

 

Line Relief Seat Conditon

 

Line Relief Position

 

Main Valve Line Relief Seat Repair History

 

Hydraulic Oil Temperature3

 

Oil Brand Name and Weight

 

Oil Additives or treatments

 

Table 1. Data Collection Sheet
1Not all machines are configured with a work mode setting.
2Report the operator?s previous action. Describe the control(s) activated prior to the movement (i.e. straight travel prior to boom UP). Include the status of the machine when the movement occurred (i.e. initial start-up, during warm-up, after __ minutes of operation).
3As indicated by the numbers of bars displayed on the gauge.

Diagnose the machine in question based on the definitions that follow:

Drift Movement Definition

Drift movements may occur with the engine running or with the engine stopped. Drift movements continue until the linkage rests on the ground, on an object, or in the neutral position. These movements can be countered by activating the joystick for the opposite direction of the drift. The root cause can be determined due to the repetitive nature of the movement. Equipment similar to the 8T-5320 Hydraulic Test Group with pressure gauges installed on both sides of the drifting cylinder will show no sudden decrease in the holding pressure. A "lollipop through flow" is the common field name for the hydraulic test group. Component replacement and effectiveness are considered "High Confidence" for problem resolution.

 

Boom Or Stick Drop Definition

Drop movements may occur with the engine running. Drop is a movement that usually cannot be recovered or stopped. The boom or stick typically hits the ground, an object, or drops to the neutral position. The root cause is difficult to determine due to the non-repetitive nature of the movement. Equipment similar to the 8T-5320 Hydraulic Test Group with pressure gauges installed on both sides of the drifting cylinder will show a sudden decrease in the holding pressure. A "lollipop through flow" is the common field name for the hydraulic test group. Component replacement and effectiveness are considered "Low Confidence" for problem resolution.

 

Powered Movement Definition

Powered movements for the boom or stick occur when the hydraulic cylinder rod or the boom and stick linkage travels to its physical limit. During the movement, the joysticks may be in neutral or activated in the opposite direction in order to counter the original movement direction. Powered movements occur when all levers are in neutral and the pump pressure for the hydraulic function exceeds the pump STANDBY pressure. Stopping the engine usually prevents the movements. Two other scenarios exist:

  • The powered movement does not stop after placing the hydraulic activation control lever in the LOCKED position.
  • The powered movement stops when the hydraulic activation control lever is placed in the LOCKED position. The joystick control valves and/or the pilot system are possible causes for this type of movement.

Root cause can be determined due to the repetitive nature of the movement. Component replacement and effectiveness is considered "High Confidence" for problem resolution.

 

Troubleshooting

The procedures that follow have been developed to help determine the root causes of boom or stick drop, implement drift, or a powered movement of any implement. These procedures address drop, drift, and powered movement problem conditions.

If a field call is received or a machine is brought in to the shop for boom or stick drop, implement drift, or a powered movement of any implement, the dealer technical services should be made aware of the machine Product Identification Number (PIN), the service hour meter reading, and the problem condition. The information can then be communicated to Caterpillar Service Engineering as soon as possible.

POWERED MOVEMENT NOTE: If powered movement of any implement is the problem, the surface conditions of the main valve spool and fit are critical immediately after the reported movement. The spool fit and/or interference should be checked by a technician within 5 minutes of the report, where and when practical. Unless the spool condition indicates otherwise, the data should be compared with the stem bore fit after the machine has "cold soaked" overnight. If the known hydraulic circuit has malfunctioned as a powered movement, operate the machine after the cold soak period. Make sure to operate the machine in a safe manner and in an operating area that is free from objects. Operate the machine at straight travel until a hydraulic temperature reading of three bars or 50?C (122?F) is achieved. During this period, the operator should not operate linkage and swing functions. When the desired temperature is achieved, operate the questionable linkage function and/or travel function. If the function repeats the powered movement or if the function does not repeat the powered movement, shut down the machine in a safe manner and check for spool(s) that stick in the bore of the hydraulic control valve. This check should be performed within 5 to 10 minutes. Release stored hydraulic energy and remove the stem end caps from the main hydraulic control valve. Try to remove the stems. If they are difficult to remove, note the main valve function and contact your Technical Communicator. During operation try to identify if the function can be corrected or stopped, with the hydraulic activation control lever in the LOCKED position, or with the engine stopped. Results from either test should be communicated to your Technical Communicator. Undersized main valve stems are available from the factory in order to correct the interference between the bore in the main valve and the stem.

Check with the oil lab for the history of previous hydraulic samples from the machine. Regardless of previous history, replace the current filters with a new pilot filter, case drain filter, and main hydraulic filter(s). If wear metals are high or within specifications, proceed to Step 1 (A) or Step 1 (B).

BOOM AND/OR STICK DROP NOTE: If boom or stick drop is identified, replace the line relief valves for the boom UP, stick IN, and stick OUT functions with a new 239-8920 Relief Valve in 345B and 345B II Excavators.

1.(A) If a field technician arrives at the job site and the customer?s operator is running the machine with the reported problem reoccurring, instruct the operator to place the hydraulic activation control lever in the LOCKED position. If this does not correct the problem, turn the key switch to the OFF position. With warm machine hydraulics, obtain two hydraulic oil samples. Obtain an oil sample from the live oil sample port (at the pilot filter) and an oil sample from the hydraulic tank. The samples should be taken regardless of previous samples taken or previously reported SOS analysis indicating high particle count, or a significant increase from the previous samples collected. As a guideline for International Standards Organization (ISO) reported oil contamination levels, a 2-point rise over the trended levels should be considered as a level where an intervention should be taken to understand the contamination source and/or related problems with the oil and/or the machine?s equipment. At the time of rework and/or preventative maintenance procedures on a particular machine, an Excavator target of an ISO 16/13 should be established before the machine is returned to work.

(B) If a field technician operates the machine attempting to duplicate the problem, place the hydraulic activation control lever in the LOCK position in order to stop the problem condition. If placing the hydraulic activation control lever in the LOCK position does not stop the problem, turn the engine start switch to the OFF position. Oil samples should be obtained from the live oil sample port (at the pilot filter) and from the hydraulic tank after the machine has been warmed up. Obtain the samples even if the previous samples indicated high particle count, or a significant increase from the previous oil samples collected. As a guideline for (ISO) reported oil contamination levels, a 2-point rise over the trended levels should be considered as an alarm level where additional actions should be taken to understand the contamination source and/or related problems with the oil and/or the machine?s equipment.

NOTE: The machine should only be operated with sufficient area in order to let any of the complaint conditions occur without causing damage.

    1. Remove the pilot filter, the case drain filter, and the main hydraulic filter(s). Cut the filters open and inspect for debris.

      Note: If required, the filters can be inspected at Caterpillar in order to determine the amount of debris and if the filters were bypassing or not. Bypassing by definition is an alternative follow path through the filter base that diverts oil past the oil filter media due to the differential oil pressure that has been detected. If this procedure is required, do not cut open the filters and retain as much of the resident oil as possible.

      If the pilot filter shows large amounts of iron or fine iron grindings, the main hydraulic pump may have a bearing or rotating group failure. If debris is present, the pump will eventually need to be removed and inspected. The other filters help determine if additional failures are occurring and the level of debris in the system. A quick cycle time check and drift test of all functions will also help define which circuits are functioning correctly.
    2. Regardless of the iron levels found in the oil samples, the previous history, the contents found in the filters, and the frequency of the occurrence; the main control valve stems that are experiencing problems should be disassembled and inspected for debris and scratches on the valve bores and stems. If you experience boom or stick problems, both Stem 1 and Stem 2 will require inspection (this includes disassembly of the regeneration spool from the bottom end of the Boom 1 stem).

      Note: Check for visible debris on the stem when the end caps are disassembled. Also check the inner bore of the aluminum cap for possible interference with the spring.

      If damage is discovered, all main control valve stems and bores should be inspected. Stems with minor scratches can be polished in order to continue with the troubleshooting.
    3. If the problem condition can be repeated and is stopped by placing the hydraulic activation control lever in the LOCKED position, a pilot system problem exists. The pilot control valves should be removed and disassembled. Check for debris, damage, or incorrect adjustment. Collect an oil sample from the pilot hoses when the pilot valves are removed.
    4. Inspect the main control valve seats and line relief valve seats in the drift reduction valve. Use a 229-3612 Valve Tool Assembly and redress the surface of the seats if the seats in the valve body are worn, scored, or out of round (egg shaped). Replace the line relief valve in the problem circuit, if necessary. If the line relief valve is replaced, identify and mark the original position of the line relief valve in the main control valve. The portion of the line relief valve that faces the front of the machine should be marked on the valve using a permanent marker or a steel scribe.
    5. Disassemble and inspect the boom and stick anti-drift valves. Make sure the valve seats are seating correctly, the valve is not scored, and the seals or backup rings are functioning correctly. The valve should be replaced if there is any scoring or damage. The tapered seat of the new check valve can be lapped with 500 grit lapping compound. This will match the seat to the sleeve and reduce drift that may be caused by the drift reduction valve.
    6. An overall evaluation of the testing results with the dealer technical services and/or your Caterpillar Service Representative will be made when Steps 1-7 have been completed. The evaluation of the results may also determine that additional steps may be necessary. The possible additional steps are:

    7. Replacement of certain parts.
    8. Flushing of the complete hydraulic system.
    9. A complete disassemble and cleanup of the hydraulic system.
    10. Additional troubleshooting of a component or circuit.

 

Component Repair

The major components (main control valve, main hydraulic pump, hydraulic motors, hydraulic cylinders) need to be disassembled, cleaned, and resealed if a major component fails. Depending on the failure, all components may not need to be disassembled and cleaned. At a minimum, the hydraulic cylinders should be cleaned and new seals should be installed.

 

Flushing The Hydraulic System

There are several publications that describe procedures for flushing the hydraulic system. Refer to Contamination Control Guidelines, SEBF8447, "Procedure for Kidney Looping Excavator Hydraulic Oil" and Special Instruction, SMHS6936, "Procedure To Flush And Clean Excavator Hydraulic Systems". The procedure that follows and SMHS6936 are similar. Review each of the documents for a basic understanding of the procedures. The clean out hydraulic filters for flushing the system and the high efficiency filters are listed in Table 2.

 

Excavator Hydraulic System Flush Procedure

Any hydraulic pump failure is serious, but some subjective judgment must used in order to determine how the failure occurred. If the pump pistons or the retaining ring for the pump swash plate failed, small metal pieces (BB to marble size) will be evident and the pump rotating group probably operated for some time prior to machine shutdown. The small pieces are probably downstream in the hydraulic system and in other major components. If only large pieces are evident and the pieces can be accounted for, it is less probable that debris has been pumped through the system.

If the pump failure produced small metal particles, the hydraulic lines should be disconnected at their lower end. Drain the hydraulic lines at each major component. Hydraulic lines on the top of the boom, lines to the travel motors, and lines to the oil cooler core are typical of the lines to major components. Make sure to inspect the oil that is drained out of the lines as they are disconnected. The drain oil should be collected in clean containers and labeled as to the source on the machine. Close inspection will indicate the severity of metal particles in the system and the magnitude of system contamination. Disassembly and flushing of the line is not sufficient if the oil shows a major particle content on a clean white towel. The associated major component must also be removed, disassembled, and thoroughly cleaned before reassembly.

If the oil on a clean white towel has minimal metal contamination present, remove the hydraulic line and flush it clean before reassembly.

Continue with the flushing procedure that follows:

After repair and reassembly of the hydraulic pump, change the hydraulic filters on the machine. Install a set of high efficiency cleanout filters on the machine.

Use a 127-8781 Transfer Cart Group. Refer to Contamination Control Guidelines, SEBF8279, "Procedure for Operating Caterpillar Filter Carts". Connect the cart to the machine by placing the suction tube in the opening of the hydraulic tank. Extend the suction tube to the bottom of the tank. Place output hose of the portable oil transfer filter cart in the opening of the hydraulic tank. When operating correctly, the suction hose should collect oil from the bottom of the tank, filter the oil through the cart, and return the filtered oil to the tank.

Do not start the machine. Continue to operate the filter cart for 15 minutes.

Start the engine and idle the engine with the engine speed dial on position "1". Move all implements to the fully extended position. The boom should be fully extended UP, the stick IN, and the bucket should be fully CLOSED. Operate the filter cart for 15 minutes.

Keep the machine running. Fully retract all of the implements. The boom should be fully retracted DOWN, the stick OUT, and the bucket should be fully OPEN. Operate the filter cart for 15 minutes.

Prepare the machine and the boom and stick linkage for bypassing all hydraulic cylinders, travel motors, and swing motors.

Note: This assumes that none of the listed components have had a catastrophic failure.

Disconnect the hydraulic lines from the hydraulic cylinders, the travel motor, and the swing motor(s). Connect the ends of the hydraulic lines or install hose loops in order to close the hydraulic circuit. The closed loop allows the oil to continuously circulate. Turn the engine speed dial to position "10". Activate the boom UP circuit for 30 seconds. Active the boom DOWN circuit for 30 seconds. Repeat the cycle for 5 cycles. Perform 5 cycles for the stick. Perform 5 cycles for the bucket. Repeat 5 cycles for the boom. Reconnect all the hydraulic lines to their respective ports. Prepare the machine for Step 7.

Swing the machine to the side and lift the left track off of the ground. Activate the left travel and allow the track to run for 5 minutes at low speed. Run the track at high speed for 5 minutes. Position the both tracks on the ground. Swing the machine to the opposite side and lift the right track off of the ground. Activate the right travel and allow the track to run for 5 minutes at low speed. Run the track at high speed for 5 minutes. Position the both tracks on the ground.

Note: Operate both travel motors in the forward and the reverse directions.

The swing from left to right will exercise the swivel and should aid in the purge of the swing circuit. Target a total of 10 minutes for cycles from left to right and from right to left in order to move the oil through the cleaning process.

Cycle the boom UP and boom DOWN for a total of 15 minutes. Alternate these actions with other hydraulic circuits every 5 minutes for a total of 15 minutes on every cylinder for the boom, stick, and bucket systems.

Shut down the machine. Remove the high efficiency cleanup filters from the machine. Cut the filters open for inspection. The filters should contain significant debris if the hydraulic system had been previously contaminated.

Install new standard hydraulic system filters.

Allow the machine to operate normally for 10 hours. Sample the hydraulic oil after 10 hours of operation. If the SOS sample indicates normal elements and particle counts, allow the machine to continue operating. If the SOS sample indicates abnormal elements and particle counts, operate the machine for 10 hours and obtain another sample. The sample will typically be within the acceptable category. If the SOS sample continues to indicate a concern, it may be necessary to repeat the filter cart procedure.

Note: The hydraulic clean out filters are ONLY for flushing and cleaning up the hydraulic system of a machine. The clean out filters should NOT be left in a machine that is returned to normal operation.

High efficiency filters should be used as standard filters for severe conditions and/or breaker applications when the machine is returned to the customer. Reference Service Magazine, SEPD0551, 20 November 2000, "A New Hydraulic Oil Filter Element Is Available for Extreme Dust Conditions", and Service Magazine, SEPD0691, 14 July 2003, "The Hydraulic Pilot Oil Filter Is Improved".

Note: The customer should be informed that the use of ONLY high efficiency main hydraulic filters will change the current 1000 hour change interval to a 250 hour change interval. SOS oil samples should be taken along with the filter change. The pilot filter service interval will remain the same.

The high efficiency filters will help monitor the condition of the oil in the hydraulic system. The customer can return to using standard filters and maintenance intervals after 500 hours to 1000 hours of monitoring the system if the oil samples indicate a clean system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clean Out Filters

Qty

Part Number

Description

Location

Micron

13

126-2131

Oil Filter Element As

Main Hydraulic Filter

3

1

126-1813

Oil Filter

Pilot Filter

5

1

093-7521

Oil Filter

Case Drain Filter4

23

High Efficiency Filters

13

179-9806

Oil Filter Element As

Main Hydraulic Filter

10

1

184-3931

Oil Filter

Pilot Filter

19

1

093-7521

Oil Filter

Case Drain Filter4

23

Table 2. Oil Filters
3A quantity of 2 is required for 345B and 345B II Excavators.
4
The case drain filter is only available as a standard 23 Micron filter.

 

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